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Bruce Simpson Site Admin
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:15 am Post subject: Illegal downloads are killing newborn babies (19 Mar 2010) |
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This column is archived at: http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2010/0319.shtml
The ridiculous claims of the studios seems to go from crazy to insane.
Now they're trying to switch from the name "pirate" to "thief" because they believe that pirates have a certain romance associated with them that may endear them to the general public.
They also claim that the reduction in sales volume is totally attributable to piracy -- yet most of the people I've spoken with would attribute it more to a fall in the quality of their offerings.
And when they can set unrealistic projections for sales figures and simply attribute the shortfall to piracy, how can we trust any of the figures they throw around.
How long before the industry (as we currently know it) collapses under the weight of its own stupidity, laziness and greed? |
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virtualkiwi
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Blenheim
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Actually I tend to agree - stop calling piracy 'piracy' and call it theft as it is, and make the punishment appropriate for the crime.
That would put an end to multimillion dollar fines unless content owners could prove beyond reasonable doubt the number of copies stolen added up to that value.
If a fine for misappropriating someone's intellectual property were treated the same way as shoplifting, most offenders would probably get a fine of maybe a few hundred dollars, low enough that they could actually pay it, but high enough that it would make more sense to buy the material in the first place. |
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Bruce Simpson Site Admin
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:46 am Post subject: |
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The term piracy is inappropriately applied.
A pirate is someone who makes their living by stealing the property of others -- which is certainly *not* what the vast majority of "illegal downloaders" do. They download material for their own personal use and those who upload, seldom do so for money or profit.
Therefore, they are *not* pirates, even if they are copyright infringers.
However, the term "thief" isn't a good one either -- since they don't actually steal anything.
If you illegally download a track from a server somewhere -- does that file disappear from the server? No it doesn't.
If someone rips a CD and puts it up on the Net, does the copyright owner lose possession of the intellectual property or lose the ability to make *any* money from its sale? No they don't.
Therefore, the correct term for those who swap music illegally (by what ever means) should be "copyright infringer". |
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ringbark
Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 25 Location: Merseyside, United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: |
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When I was a lad (and dinosaurs roamed the earth) I bought a *lot* of music with my limited disposable income.
I could also have spent it on beer or cigarettes or magazines. Some of it did go on magazines (no, not that sort).
I now have teenagers of my own. They have the same options but also:
- computer games
- other software
- lottery tickets
- fast food
- cellphone credit (calls, texts, ringtones)
Now, they can't stretch the money to all of these, so they choose. Some music, yes, but compared with me at the same age, less - because they have all these other cool things to buy instead.
You can't compare music sales then and now, because they have more choice where to spend.
Like I remember a Lotto spokesman saying: his competitor isn't the gee-gees or the pokies - it's a Big Mac or a magazine - discretionary spending around $5. |
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Simon
Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 457
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Even REAL pirates don't cop the same punishments as the entertainment industries want copyright infringers to.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy
"If the pirates aren't detained for prosecution — and most are not — they are disarmed and put back out to sea on one craft. Harbour said that while the aggressive tactics are not a long-term solution, they force pirates to find new vessels and weapons before they can launch more attacks."
Apparently that's an aggressive tactic. What ever happened to blowing them out of their pantaloons?
It's only a matter of time before the old fashioned, greedy media types die off and people of the younger generations, where digital copying is the norm, take over. The unfortunate thing is what laws will we be left with and be unable to get rid of that the dinosaurs have bought? |
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barryl
Joined: 21 Nov 2009 Posts: 254 Location: Canterbury
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Agreed,
Their claims are mind-bogglingly absurd and shows how out of touch they really are. For me they are about as advanced as the folk who manufactured chains and shackles for slaves and then bitched about the American Civil War stuffing up their business.
We MUST all adopt the skeptical approach. ---- "Nice story now PROVE it"
The more irritating aspect is that neither Sony (who have a nice little quid each way by flogging music as well as the hardware to copy/pirate/thieve music on) or the RIANZ will answer emails on how they justify this "magical maths" In fact, they get downright huffy when aggressively challenged, Oh, BTW, asking nicely does not work either.
However I see at their website http://rianz.org.nz/rianz/rianz_contactus.asp they also have a nice 0800 number. 0800 88 77 69.
It behooves us all to call them repeatedly and demand answers to their "magical maths" If even 1/10 of NZ did that, they would have a problem. |
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Sophocles
Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 880 Location: Auckland
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
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The Internet is the entertainment industry's whipping boy. They don't understand it, just as they don't understand their customers. The real evidence is ignored ... because it doesn't fit their fantasies.
A real pirate, who ran his own CD production line (NB: he was not an Internet downloader) confessed his role and gave the reason why he pirated CDs: exorbitant retail prices. Now, his piracy made him lots of money which did not go to the entertainment industry. I have no idea what impact on legitimate CD sales the sales of his "counterfeit" CDs had, but I suspect he, and his brethren, had a larger effect than any amount of Internet downloading does.
He also stated, categorically, that the music industry had the power in their hands to stop him and his ilk dead by lowering their prices. But no: the MI chooses to continue chasing phantoms.
See:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16422175.100-the-pirates-tale.html
(New Scientist issue 2217, 18th December 1999 if you want to read the full article in the dead tree version of New Scientist.)
Again, they're letting no facts stand in their way: recent research shows that if they did succeed in killing off downloading, their CD sales would plummet! Yep. Counter intuitive isn't it? See this:
http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/4206.html
More power to their elbows and lawyers: they could become the first business to litigate themselves out of existence!
I don't download music at all. Their constant screams of "Thief" have turned me off purchasing anything more of theirs---I just make do with my present collection---all legitimately purchased mostly from bargain basement sales . I have gone from disapproving of "illegal" (?) downloading to total indifference: it can't happen to a nicer bunch of more deserving bastards. They were told---yes: told---15 years ago that they would not be able to stop copying of digital music and that then was the time to review and modify their business model(s) and prepare to deal/work with it. They chose to ignore the warning then, so I have even less sympathy for those head-in-the-sand ostriches. |
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Who?
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 103
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Is this not similar to the introduction of photo-copiers?
I don't have any numbers or facts but I would guess that the price of printed media today as a percentage of income is significantly less that what it was prior to the photocopier. Are there are numbers to back up my claim? |
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Gokiwi
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 15
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: Misleading data |
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When the ratbags from the recording industry misuse data that goes towards politicians, then one wonders if this might not be the same as perjury - i.e. parliament (in the Westminster model) is the highest court in the land and to willfully mislead a court by developing results based on the ratio of 1:1 (clearly rubbish) is a perjury.
Won't happen i guess but given that the fans & the artists all hate the record companies - they are going to get theirs one day very soon. |
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edwin
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 1230 Location: Wellington
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Who? wrote: | Is this not similar to the introduction of photo-copiers?
I don't have any numbers or facts but I would guess that the price of printed media today as a percentage of income is significantly less that what it was prior to the photocopier. Are there are numbers to back up my claim? |
I think it's quite different. Let's look at trying to photocopy a book:
you get inferior binding
you get inferior paper
you get inferior reproduction of text
you get something the wrong size
it's a lot of work (guillotining the paper to size once copied, for example)
it's more expensive
it takes a lot of time
Ripping a CD gives you music that is exactly the same as the original, takes bugger all time, and costs nothing.
I think today's world of piracy is a different landscape to that of the days of photocopiers and cassette dubbing. |
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Bruce Simpson Site Admin
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| edwin wrote: |
you get inferior binding
you get inferior paper
you get inferior reproduction of text
you get something the wrong size
it's a lot of work (guillotining the paper to size once copied, for example)
it's more expensive
it takes a lot of time |
Yet "screeners" have all those drawbacks when it comes to illegal movies and the movie industry seems to consider them to be a *huge* problem.
I also doubt that many folks simply do an illegal 1:1 disk-copy of CDs these days. Instead, they rip them to a lossy format like MP3. That isn't a "perfect" copy -- it degrades the quality.
Unless you want to go to great effort, you also lose the cover-art and album notes (unless you want to scan/print) and the artwork on the disk itself.
So there's not *that* much difference when you get down to it  |
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Gokiwi
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 15
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:38 am Post subject: |
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i have to agree with edwin.
the work involved in copying a CD is minimal. wheras a photocopy of a book or copying a CD onto tape was a lot of effort. Also the difference (for most people, listening to most devices) is minimal between MP3 and say a WMV.
Also re the cover art:
a) the menu is not the meal and
b) most programs like nero will offer you images of the cover art so you can get them at the same time if you realy do think the menu is the meal |
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Gokiwi
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 15
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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One other thing about MP3 Bruce.
If you realy want the same quality music then there are ways round it when copying from a CD-
a) download a FLAC (free losless audio codec)
b) www.exactaudiocopy.de
c) www.accuraterip.com
The above c/o PC World April 2009 |
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zkarj
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 952 Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Gokiwi wrote: | One other thing about MP3 Bruce.
If you realy want the same quality music then there are ways round it when copying from a CD-
a) download a FLAC (free losless audio codec)
b) www.exactaudiocopy.de
c) www.accuraterip.com
The above c/o PC World April 2009 |
I used a) and b) for many years when ripping my own CD collection. I still have FLAC masters filling numerous DVDs in a cupboard (they used to be offsite).
It was a bit of work researching and setting up, but the results were great and pretty quick. These days I'm on a Mac and I just make do with iTunes' ripping. |
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Gokiwi
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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[quote]t was a bit of work researching and setting up, but the results were great and pretty quick. These days I'm on a Mac and I just make do with iTunes' ripping.[/quote]
Was that with www.rockbox.org ? - said to be good, though i have not used |
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