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Back-doors, do you have one? (25 Jan 2010)

 
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Bruce Simpson
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:27 am    Post subject: Back-doors, do you have one? (25 Jan 2010) Reply with quote

This column is archived at: http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2010/0125.shtml

Can you be sure that the computer you're using right now doesn't have one or more back-doors that have been inserted into software to allow authorities to check up on what you're doing and take a peek at your private data?

If that is the case, is it really a bad thing?

Can even those who run open-source software be 100% sure they don't have a back-door or two in their systems?

Even if your OS and applications are clean, is your BIOS and silicon?

If the likes of Google are providing back-doors for government snoops, do you really believe Microsoft's assurances that Windows is "clean"?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is not the US you should be worried about....

Try Googling "Huawei back doors" and take a peek at how the Chinese are progressively gaining access to every core IP router in the world....

A company run by a former Chinese Intelligence Offier and supplyingmany of the world's service providers with core network routers... and with Gigabytes of encrypted "signalling" information coming out of service provider core routers - all heading back to UIP addresses in discreet "network analysis centres" in mainland China - you can't tell me that they are not intercepting all manner of data already across the world and committing extensive spying and industrial espionage...

..and forget just spying - with a couple of keystrokes they could also remotely take down global networks....using these recently detected back-doors in core routers....

Be scared people - be very scared....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course there are back doors on everything...

The Laptop manufactures have set default BIOS backdoor passwords for bypassing the BIOS user configured password. The list of Laptop BIOS backdoor passwords are provided below.

1. VOBIS & IBM ----> merlin

2. Dell ----> Dell

3. Biostar ----> Biostar

4. Compaq ----> Compaq

5. Enox ----> xo11nE

6. Epox ----> central

7. Freetech ----> Posterie

8. IWill ----> iwill

9. Jetway ----> spooml

10. Packard Bell ----> bell9

11. QDI ----> QDI

12. Siemens ----> SKY_FOX


13. TMC ----> BIGO

14. Toshiba ----> Toshiba
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Half of those backdoors have very easy to pick locks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Open source systems Reply with quote

It's not necessary for every user of Linux to examine every line of code as you say. It's only necessary for some small group of people who are independent of whoever you think might be including backdoors to have done so. If they found anything, they would have raised enough of a fuss that I would have heard of it.

A more subtle problem is that the compiler may have been tampered with so it adds a backdoor that is not in the source code, and adds this ability to itself even if you recompile the compiler from clean code. This possibility was described by Ken Thompson in 1984 http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html. Examining the executable code should be sufficient to determine if this is happening, and if you don't trust the debugger, it's not too hard to write a simple hexdump utility which does some basic disassembly. There's a reasonable article on these issues at Wikipedia
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This possibility was described by Ken Thompson in 1984

... it would have been wonderful to see the faces of those who had the bet with Ken which prompted the C-compiler fudge, when they found out how they had lost Smile

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Can you be sure that the computer you're using right now doesn't have one or more back-doors that have been inserted into software to allow authorities to check up on what you're doing and take a peek at your private data?

Of course you can't. And with the WoT panicking governments into draconian legislation all over the world, you can't afford to ignore the possibility. With Windows, it's just a case of pick an exploit, any exploit, one click and you're in(tm). With other OSs ... who knows?

As a professional paranoid, I keep one system at home as a private box. It has an encrypted file system. It is never booted on my network when the network is connected to the Internet. I use my private information on that machine. It's not stored on the machine: it's stored on a usb memory stick, which is formatted with a Linux filesystem and also encrypted. Whatever is on any of the other machines is unimportant.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a limit to all of this. Not to how or where back doors can be implemented, but a limit to how much you have to think about it.

I am reminded of a discussion about disaster recovery plans. Any company building a disaster recovery plan needs to decide how big a disaster they need to recover from. E.g. a Wellington-based small business probably isn't going to worry about the possibilty of 'the big one' that flattens the capital. There's a limit for every company, even if they go as far as all-out nuclear conflict or an asteroid strike.

And so it is with worrying about spying. As much as the old phrase "If you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear" is maligned as an excuse, it is true to a point. Whilst we should stand up to governments who try to erode our rights, we're not going to stand up to outside parties who we don't know are there

If you compromise all of my data, the worst I might suffer is embarrassment. So I'd rather live my life without the anxiety, in the hope that "she'll be right" than to incessantly worry and waste my time.

In fact, it is a matter of priorities. It is statistically likely that a number of readers here probably don't drive very well - that's more likely to ruin your life than a bunch of Chinese hackers. Pay more attention to your driving please because that affects me too!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the correct answer to the brain-dead muppets who chant "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" is always a sneer:--- "Well really, show me all your medical records and IRD statements" (suddenly they shuffle off) we have to do the best to retain our privacy.

But, I don't have enough hours in my life to even begin to learn how to examine code for a possible back-door. Who does with a 100% probability of finding them?

I assume there's one there, and so keep truly vital private data in a notebook. but then if I was truly paranoid, I'd encrypt it with a one-time pad and spend maybe $10,000 on a tough safe for storage.

Life's not worth the hassles that CAN be conjured up. There's too many REAL threats:

Cancer
Heart disease.
Drunken and otherwise idiotic drivers
Windows crashing, again.

And finally, death.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

barryl wrote:
And finally, death.

Death isn't a threat... it's a PROMISE!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plato wrote:
Of course there are back doors on everything...

The Laptop manufactures have set default BIOS backdoor passwords for bypassing the BIOS user configured password. The list of Laptop BIOS backdoor passwords are provided below.

Snipped for brevity


May I put you onto a cheap source of tin fiol.

Speaking from personal experience the Toshiba and Dell ones you quoted havnt worked for a long time, also I might point out that you have forgotten IBM (never has had anything except a hardware hack to beat bios), then there are the hard drive passwords, very expensive to beat. Generally they are all beatable if you spend enough, but seldom does the cost justify itself with the need.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sophocles wrote:
Quote:

This possibility was described by Ken Thompson in 1984

... it would have been wonderful to see the faces of those who had the bet with Ken which prompted the C-compiler fudge, when they found out how they had lost Smile

Quote:

Can you be sure that the computer you're using right now doesn't have one or more back-doors that have been inserted into software to allow authorities to check up on what you're doing and take a peek at your private data?

Of course you can't. And with the WoT panicking governments into draconian legislation all over the world, you can't afford to ignore the possibility. With Windows, it's just a case of pick an exploit, any exploit, one click and you're in(tm). With other OSs ... who knows?

As a professional paranoid, I keep one system at home as a private box. It has an encrypted file system. It is never booted on my network when the network is connected to the Internet. I use my private information on that machine. It's not stored on the machine: it's stored on a usb memory stick, which is formatted with a Linux filesystem and also encrypted. Whatever is on any of the other machines is unimportant.


Dam I definitely have to get into the Tin Foil Market, if individuals have that much need to protect there data.
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