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NZ"s Own Rupert Murdoch?

 
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Bruce Simpson
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: NZ"s Own Rupert Murdoch? Reply with quote

This column is archived at: http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2009/0717.shtml

Is Barry Coleman NZ's own Rupert Murdoch?

Not only is he looking to repeat the mistakes of the past by re-introducing a subscription model but he's also slagging off bloggers and content aggregators (just like Rupert did).

Might it be that Barry's biggest handicap is his inability to move with the times?

Surely, given the huge strides that NBR has made in terms of their online presence, they're now positioned in a great place to start innovating and creating new (profitable) models for online content publishing.

While they're on a roll, why don't they start harnessing some of the internet's key strengths -- instead of falling back on proven-flawed 20th century strategies.

When I see publishers like NBR effectively wasting their position I get really frustrated.

If I had the time/money I'd love to show the Murdoch's of the world how it should really be done.

I've done it before, I *know* I can do it again.

The secret?

Look forwards, not backwards.

What do you think of NBR's website these days?

Would you pay the $298 a year they're effectively asking for a subscription?

Will the appearance of "go away you non-subscriber" pages put you off returning to NBR?

Has the publisher just ankle-tapped itself?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ONLY online service I pay for is consumer.org.nz. I also get their paper magazine delivered. Great for reading when munching on the morning cereal Smile

So why do I pay for the consumer info? Because it is informative, relevant and most importantly it saves me money! In other words I see the subscription as an investment and not a cost.

When the MSM get the message that they have to offer value for money, they will start to make money. In the meantime the MSM is a lame duck in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear, I see that Barry's decision to implement a subscription-based level of content is getting roundly bashed over on the NBR website itself

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/a-letter-national-business-reviews-publisher-105764

It would appear that he did no real analysis of the market before making this decision and, as I predicted in my column, the results may well be decidedly negative for the publication's bottom line.

What is it they say about old dogs and new tricks?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you feel less inclined to visit those websites that pop up "subscription required" pages just when you think you've found a story you might like to read?


Absolutely. I'm generally not interested in reading all the content from a single "publication" but rather I'm interested in reading the content of a particular journalist or blogger, but I'm unlikely to pay a subscription just so I can read the column of that one writer that I'm interested in. In the future I would like to see more journalists following the Mark Steyn model. He has his own website - www.marksteyn.com and is a syndicated columnist to various different newspapers, but all his content is accessible via his website.

As for news, ie. facts about current events as opposed to opinion, there are so many free and easily accesible ways to get to that, the idea of paying a subscription for it is ludicrous.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce, would "Aardvark.oc.nz"[sic] in the comments be you? I didn't realize you had changed your web address Razz

The whole basis of the internet is that it gives open and free access to information from a huge range of sources. Unless every source of new on the internet gets on the subscription bandwagon(which we all know is not going to happen), the vast majority of net uses will not pay. There is simply no need.

Whenever i see a subscription only page, i leave immediately. It isn't worth my time to be on a site that doesn't allow access to half it's content, as i can always get both the free and subscription content elsewhere. As it stands, i get the majority of my news from a "nasty leaching blogger" known as Bruce, so this move by the NBR isn't going to affect me much.

The subscription problem that i always run across is "experts exchange". Whenever i have a programming or general computer problem, i use trusty google, and open a bunch of the promising looking results in tabs, ready to go through until i find the solution. One of them is invariably "experts exchange", which shows you, and google, a question(which is often VERY similar to what you asked google, leading me to suspect that some of them are not even real questions. If so they have a very good generator, however.), and then tells you to pay for the answer. It is Extremely infuriating. Has anyone ever paid for that site? Does it actually have any useful content? Or is it just an ad site that has somehow forced itself up the google rankings?

---Braedon
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

braedon wrote:
The subscription problem that i always run across is "experts exchange".


Just scroll down! There's a bunch of censored postings, below that a whole HEAP of links and crap, then below that there's the same postings uncensored.

For example: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/.NET/ASP.NET/Q_24153654.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:

Would you pay the $298 a year they're effectively asking for a subscription?

Umm, it's $89 for 6 months access to 20% of the NBR content. Or did I read that inaccurately? From what I see from the NBR front page, it's a lot of the "entertainment" offered by NBR that's going behind pay-per-view. Best of luck to them: they'll need it.

Would I pay it? No. I can't see any value to me for that outlay. I regard the NBR as a red-necked conservative paper anyway whose utterings on many subjects are not really very well informed, especially on matters economic and climatic. They push the Chicago School of Economix mean-minded, mean-spirited, compassionless (cruel) line, which 2008 showed just doesn't work. If the NBR's journos were well informed, then why did their economics writers not pick the trends in the economy that were there for all to see? I'll be kind: some of the writers saw some of the problems but did not recognise their significance.

It's in a similar vein that the publisher of the NBR has taken up the MSM complaint of freeloading by bloggers. Really? In such a small place as NZ? Have NBR really researched that? Or are they just parroting their bigger (predominantly North American) cousins' plaints?

I get the impression that the Internet is being used as the fall guy and punching bag by MSM execs who are trying to deflect shareholder criticism of their tenure at the reins. "It's not my fault! It's all those thieves on the Internet who are responsible for this!"

Such madness is not unique to the NBR. I no longer subscribe to the NZ Herald. They stopped delivering it to me 6 years ago when I disputed my account. They claimed (in an incredibly funny letter) that this was " proactive account management ." I paid my account every month. As far as I can see, firing paying customers is eventually business suicide. (I've assiduously read it on-line ... free of charge ... ever since, so perhaps they did me a favour after all!)

As Bruce has said: let's watch and wait and see ...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, I read that inaccurately: the $89 was the "Introductory offer ..."
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who? wrote:
The ONLY online service I pay for is consumer.org.nz. I also get their paper magazine delivered. Great for reading when munching on the morning cereal Smile So why do I pay for the consumer info? Because it is informative, relevant and most importantly it saves me money! In other words I see the subscription as an investment and not a cost.


Thats why subscription works for the WSJ and may well work for NBR. How long before NBR cans the hard copy?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwin wrote:
braedon wrote:
The subscription problem that i always run across is "experts exchange".


Just scroll down! There's a bunch of censored postings, below that a whole HEAP of links and crap, then below that there's the same postings uncensored.

For example: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/.NET/ASP.NET/Q_24153654.html


huh? they all show a message saying to sign in for me. All comments, as well as the solution.

---Braedon
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I am following a train of thought on a particular idea I end up jumping from site to site all over the world. I feel quite annoyed when I see what looks like something relevant on google's summary, but when the page eventually loads (curse KOL's pathetic dial up service) there is NOTHING but a subscription request. Why should I subscribe to a service I may never visit again? And how did google get that information for the summary in the first place? Does the site bait and switch?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

braedon wrote:
huh? they all show a message saying to sign in for me. All comments, as well as the solution.

---Braedon

Yeah, that caught me the first few time I came across their site. Smile

Here is a screen shot
http://img269.imageshack.us/i/eeexample.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

braedon wrote:


huh? they all show a message saying to sign in for me. All comments, as well as the solution.

---Braedon


It's doing it for me now too. Strange. I wonder if when you get to a certain number of hits (i.e. if there are signs of that topic being popular) they then lock it out completely?

In any event, many times I've come across ExpertsXchange pages where the censored data is followed by a whole heap of links that look like the end of the page, only to find the uncensored data beneath that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thats why subscription works for the WSJ and may well work for NBR. How long before NBR cans the hard copy?


They will be in trouble if they do. Telecommunications Review tried that a couple of years ago. They have re-introduced the printed version as of the last couple of months.

I used to subscribe to the printed version. When they dropped it, I tried their website a few times but I found it painful to use and, more importantly, I had to make the decision to go there whereas the hard copy just appeared on my desk once a month and was picked up and read whenever I had a spare bit of time.
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