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BTMO
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: Wow! |
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this one really brought out the fruit loops, didn't it?
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: Nuts, a pair of |
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No just the one cereal that has some nuts to it...
For the entire article on breaking down water in to its parts:
Planes, Branes and automobiles: Paranoia, Conspiracy theories, and the truth about free energy.
For the most recent physics theory on magnecules see
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0112066
For videos and DIY information see
T.O.E. Certified
BTW, people complaining this is a bad choosing of diamagnetic non-conducting stainless steel haven't seen
this frog float...
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BTMO
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Nuts, a pair of |
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| HeebieJeebies wrote: |
For the entire article on breaking down water in to its parts:
Planes, Branes and automobiles: Paranoia, Conspiracy theories, and the truth about free energy. |
A lot of mumbo-jumbo and double talk. What peer reviewed scientific paper has it been published in?
Using significantly more power than is available from a 12 volt car battery....
Not really a practical way of moving things around, eh?
Pseudo-scientific gibberish.
Next.
| HeebieJeebies wrote: | BTW, people complaining this is a bad choosing of diamagnetic non-conducting stainless steel haven't seen
this frog float... |
There is nothing terribly controversial about that - they simply used an *enormous* magnetic field. Many millions of times stronger than the magnetic field of the planet.
Not the sort of thing you can fire up with a twelve volt battery.
Diamagnetism is a well known physical entity. And along with paramagnetism, makes up the threesome of magnetic fields known to science. Only one (good, old fashioned magnetism) is strong enough for normal use. But when you use extraordinary amounts of power, as in the frog picture, you can do seemingly stunning things.
It never fails to amaze me how people are willing to accept anything they read on the internet, or see on youtube - and agree with any "physics" that supports it - but seem quite happy to discount the laws of thermodynamics. |
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HeebieJeebies
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Bruce Simpson Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Nuts, a pair of |
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| BTMO wrote: | | It never fails to amaze me how people are willing to accept anything they read on the internet, or see on youtube - and agree with any "physics" that supports it - but seem quite happy to discount the laws of thermodynamics. |
I guess this recent Aardvark Daily column hits the nail on the head eh? |
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Looks like the usual *beep* dressed up with techno-drivel and specious arguments. |
It may seem like that upon a first glance. This one does however deserve a lot of extra attention, because it is the only one physically and metaphysically possible in a local realist way. The inventor does have some characteristics of the old Einstein.
1) he invented a new dimension
2) he made a new quantification of light
3) he has great talent with making working models
To specify, his toroidal shape to the curvature of space and time, is the only explanation in the world for how simple tornado's can have so much power.
Directory:Tornado in a Can
From PESWiki
Frank Polifka's Windhexe machine
Tornado in a Can - pulverizes garbage down to micrometer powder; demonstrates an "overunity" phenomenon (amount of energy expended does not equate to the amount of pulverizing power exhibited)
Inventor Frank Polifka calls his Windhexe machine "Tornado in a Can". It safely harnesses the enormous power of a funnel cloud in a small mechanical canister. The efficiency with which it can pulverize a wide array of items defies conventional physics and invites a new model to be constructed to explain how vortex energy operates
What is it?
Video: < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mg7uu373To >
"Whatever you put in the Windhexe shoes, rocks, sludge, concrete, industrial waste comes out the bottom as a superfine powder. Its a clean way to dispose of almost anything safely and cheaply, because there are virtually no polluting emissions. Industrial scientists say its uses could be limited only by the imagination.
"An upside-down cone just 8 feet tall, with no moving parts, it swiftly (and loudly) reduces pretty much anything to a powder of particles roughly a micron across about 0.00004 of an inch, or one one-hundredth the width of a human hair."
"The Windhexe generates so little heat that you can safely catch the resulting powder in the palm of your hand as it streams out the bottom." (MSNBC ( < http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4723367/ > ); May 19, 2004)
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Using significantly more power than is available from a 12 volt car battery....
Not really a practical way of moving things around, eh? |
That would not be good if the power was coming from a car battery alone. However this is not the case. Please get your facts straight |
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Nuts, a pair of |
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| BTMO wrote: | | HeebieJeebies wrote: |
For the entire article on breaking down water in to its parts:
Planes, Branes and automobiles: Paranoia, Conspiracy theories, and the truth about free energy. |
A lot of mumbo-jumbo and double talk. What peer reviewed scientific paper has it been published in?
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It's just a news article for godsake. Aardvark isn't the only news source in the world you know |
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Nuts, a pair of |
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| Bruce Simpson wrote: | | BTMO wrote: | | It never fails to amaze me how people are willing to accept anything they read on the internet, or see on youtube - and agree with any "physics" that supports it - but seem quite happy to discount the laws of thermodynamics. |
I guess this recent Aardvark Daily column hits the nail on the head eh? |
Exactly the same conclusion as the " free energy" article:
| Quote: | | Let us hope that the world can come together in recognizing there is no free energy flying around, but the answer lies in the fact of a matter that we are all connected in this solid 5D world, where our better understanding of it gives open access to all sorts of exciting hopes and possibilities. |
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BTMO
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesus H. Christ... |
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BTMO
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Nuts, a pair of |
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| HeebieJeebies wrote: | | BTMO wrote: | | HeebieJeebies wrote: |
For the entire article on breaking down water in to its parts:
Planes, Branes and automobiles: Paranoia, Conspiracy theories, and the truth about free energy. |
A lot of mumbo-jumbo and double talk. What peer reviewed scientific paper has it been published in?
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It's just a news article for godsake. Aardvark isn't the only news source in the world you know |
So what? Has it been material quoted on the above site been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal or not? If the material is as earth shaking as you believe, why haven't the authors had their claims tested properly?
Take that Joe Cell thing, or the tornado device. Which one of those has been demonstrated and tested under objective conditions?
Or can only news organisations be persuaded to give these fruitcakes (at best) or deliberate liars (more likely) airtime?
I saw a guy saw a women in half on tv the other night. Then, she jumped back out of the box and was whole!!
How did they do that?? |
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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How this all comes to life in the history of physics; a short re-run:
warning: very explicit physics history following...
Relativity & Lorentz
From Dialog about Objections against the Theory of Relativity (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dialog_about_Objections_against_the_Theory_of_Relativity) (A. Einstein)
Critic: After this conversation I have to admit that the refutation of your point of view is not as easy as it seemed to me earlier. I do have more objections up my sleeve. But before pestering you with that I want to think over our present conversation thoroughly. Before we depart, one more question, that does not concern an objection, but that I ask out of pure curiosity: how does the diseased man of theoretical physics fare, the Aether, that many of you have declared to be definitely dead?
Relativist: Its fortunes have taken some turns, and overall one cannot say that it is dead now. Prior to Lorentz it existed as an all-pervasive fluid, as a gas-like fluid, and other than that in the most diverse forms of being, different from author to author. With Lorentz it became rigid, and embodied the resting coordinate system, respectively a privileged state of motion in the world. According to the special theory of relativity there was no longer a privileged state of motion, this meant a denial of the Aether in this sense of the preceding theories. For if there would be an Aether, then in each space-time point there would have to be a particular state of motion, that would have to play a part in optics. There is no such privileged state of motion, as has been taught to us by the special theory of relativity, and that is why there is no Aether in the old sense. The general theory of relativity also does not know a privileged state of motion in a point, that one could vaguely interpret as velocity of an Aether. However, while according to the special theory of relativity a part of space without matter and without electromagnetic field seems to be characterized as absolutely empty, e. g. not characterized by any physical quantities, empty space in this sense has according to the general theory of relativity physical qualities which are mathematically characterized by the components of the gravitational potential, that determine the metrical behavior of this part of space as well as its gravitational field. One can quite well construe this circumstance in such a way that one speaks of an Aether, whose state of being is different from point to point. Only one must take care not to attribute to this Aether properties similar to properties of matter (for example every point a certain velocity).
No privileged state of motion
From The Undiscovered Error - The Michelson-Morley Experiment (http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Undiscovered-Error---The-Michelson-Morley-Experiment&id=483994) (M.M. Fiorentino)
The Theory of Super Relativity repairs the error made in history and sets us back on the proper course. Einstein in the Special Theory never explained why The Laws of Physics are the same in all Inertial Frames. Logically it defies common sense. There must be something PHYSICALLY going on in all frames of reference to make this phenomenon occur. For example the addition of velocities should be Vab=Va+Vb but it is not that way. In reality the proper Equation is Vab=(Va+Vb)/1+(Va*Vb)/ C2.
In Special Relativity it is not mentioned why this is, it is just correctly stated. In this theory it is explained why it is so. Unfortunately, not enough of the correct questions about our reality are being asked. Why is the speed of light the same in all frames of reference? Also why is the speed of light the precise number that it is? Neither Relativity; Quantum Theory nor String Theory can answer those questions.
To summarize, a bad assumption was made about the nature of the ether. The wrong state was chosen. Therefore the experiment was doomed from the start. After the experiment was complete and the results were in, Michelson and later Einstein came to the wrong conclusion. The experiment failed to detect the ether wind so it was naturally assumed that the ether did not exist. All the experiment really proved was, there was no ether wind. A paradigm shift occurred and scientists completely abandoned the idea of the ether. This concludes the article on the Undiscovered Error (http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Undiscovered-Error---The-Michelson-Morley-Experiment&id=483994) (The Michelson-Morley Experiment).
Super Relativity
The theory of everything (TOE) as proposed by software engineer and award-winning trouble-shooter Mark Fiorentino. Including several differences with and advances to old aether theory, with means of measuring and predicting universal 'constants'; while introducing a new law on the speed of light. The theory, based on three postulates, allows for the mathematical deduction of all physical fundamental laws ( Newton, Coulomb, Ampere, Lorentz, Maxwell ) ; based on the work of Rene Descartes, Isaac Newton, James Clerck Maxwell, Hendrick Antoon Lorentz, and Albert Einstein.
For all previously made comments about the article(s) see
Steorn forum
Science Forum
Wikipedia T.O.E. talk page
VTK Ugent forum (university engineer forum) (dutch-google translated)
Skepp Forum (scientific skepticism forum) (dutch-google translated)
Greetings,
Heebiejeebies
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: stage 1 : Paranoia |
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| BTMO wrote: | | HeebieJeebies wrote: | | BTMO wrote: | | HeebieJeebies wrote: |
For the entire article on breaking down water in to its parts:
Planes, Branes and automobiles: Paranoia, Conspiracy theories, and the truth about free energy. |
A lot of mumbo-jumbo and double talk. What peer reviewed scientific paper has it been published in?
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It's just a news article for godsake. Aardvark isn't the only news source in the world you know |
So what? Has it been material quoted on the above site been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal or not? If the material is as earth shaking as you believe, why haven't the authors had their claims tested properly?
Take that Joe Cell thing, or the tornado device. Which one of those has been demonstrated and tested under objective conditions?
Or can only news organisations be persuaded to give these fruitcakes (at best) or deliberate liars (more likely) airtime?
I saw a guy saw a women in half on tv the other night. Then, she jumped back out of the box and was whole!!
How did they do that?? |
You are one paranoid android, BTMO.
If you believe all these people and scientists that are amassed, are lying to instigate Malice, you might need the cereal with the loops after all. |
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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to get any further, one must realise the full effect of the philosophy of SR
The Philosophy behind Super Relativity
The original idea for this new theory was inspired by a great deal of research having to do with the study of Albert Einstein and his quest for the Unified Field Theory. Einstein and physicists and philosophers before and after him have spent a great deal of effort trying to explain how the Universe works. Scientists have spent the last 75 years or so trying to tie together all known phenomena to explain the nature and behavior of all matter and energy in existence.
Since physics has made little progress in discovering the Grand Unification Theory an interesting question arises. Why have the best minds of the past and present failed to discover the truth about our Universe.
Since the time of Isaac Newton who began the era of Classical Mechanics and modern day physics we have all been trying to unlock the secrets of how the Universe works. Many of the greatest intellects of all time have attempted to find a simple explanation for material existence and the central cause of force, action at a distance. The question of why so many great minds could not solve this problem eventually led the author of the theory to come up with a reasonble explanation for our failure to solve this great mystery. It seemed reasonable to assume that perhaps something might be wrong with our approach and that possibly a mistake was made somewhere in the past. The mistake would creat a paradigm shift that would take physics in the wrong direction.
If this idea is correct the only explanation that makes sense is that somewhere along the way we began to attempt to solve an inequality. In other words we switched onto a track that was a dead end, a red herring so to speak. What if for the past hundred years or so we have been trying to prove something, that is not true. What if we have been trying to prove that a=b and in fact a<>b. If we did not know this fact we could spend centuries trying to prove an incongruity.
This was the idea that led to the development of the Theory of Super Relativity. Research was begun in an effort to find the error in the past and then correct it. After spending several years of research the error was found. The error that was discovered was subtle and it went completely undetected. The mistake occurred about a hundred years ago. It was, in my mind the most important experiment in history. The Michelson-Morley Experiment and this was the experiment that was to determine whether the ether existed or not. Neither the measurements, nor the technique were in error. That part of the experiment was executed to perfection. The experiment has been repeated many times and confirmed. I do not dispute the measurements. The error actually occurred before the experiment. A faulty assumption was made about the ether. The bad assumption was that the ether was a fluid or gas or in some way the ether could flow or move. The faulty assumption led to a design of experiment that was flawed. The experiment was designed to detect a change in the speed of light caused by light passing through an ether wind. What in fact the experiment proved was that there was no ether wind. There was no wind because it is not a gas or fluid and it did not move in any way to have a frame of reference that would be in motion. That is all that the experiment proved. Unfortunately, it was then assumed that since there was no ether wind, therefore, there was no ether. That is the mistake. The ether is a solid therefore there is no wind or resistance in any direction.
In the years following the experiment, the notion of field theory as an explanation of the fundamental mediator of force was all but given up on. The Standard Model and particles interactions have risen into power. Quantum Mechanics and its success with helping to identify and predict the existence of new particles has led us into an even deeper commitment to the belief that particle interactions themselves are the reason and explanation of force. Super Relativity says that all force is generated by the fields that particles are made up of and that the interactions that occur between the particles are caused by the fields emanating from the cores of the particles.
This idea is further bolstered by the fact that the Standard Model cannot be reconciled to the idea of Gravity uniting with the other so called primary forces, the Strong and Weak Nuclear forces and Electromagnetism. This is the error or bad assumption that was spoken about earlier in this section. SR Theory states that Gravity is not physically the same thing as the other so called forces. Gravity, Electrostatic fields, (the Coulomb force) and Magnetism are the true and only forces of nature and they are purely mechanical and require direct contact via space (the ether). The primary forces of nature are not mediated by particles they are mechanical elastic deformations of space. These forces are different types of spatial deformations that manifest themselves as force fields. Since they share the same medium they can be unified.
No theory would be complete without a way to prove that it is correct or not. In the section called "The Experimental Verification of SR Theory" there are two experiments that can be performed that will prove if this theory is correct.
The Theory of Super Relativity was created to explain in more detail the concepts explained in this Introduction. The theory of Super Relativity as you can see returns us to a Universal structure that is a compromise between Newtonian Mechanics and Einstein like Relativistic Universe.
see the many other links for more answers...
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BTMO
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: stage 1 : Paranoia |
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| HeebieJeebies wrote: | You are one paranoid android, BTMO.
If you believe all these people and scientists that are amassed, are lying to instigate Malice, you might need the cereal with the loops after all. |
Actually, I am engaged in undertaking real science. At a real university.
I understand the process of science, and the mechanisms involved in getting work reviewed, accepted and published.
YouTube doesn't do it for me, and neither do self publishing fruits and charlatans.
These people make extraordinary claims, but fail to provide even the most rudimentary evidence - apart from some video that they have created, and have total control over.
Example - "Joe Cells". They are (apparently) easy to construct, and create massive amounts of hydrogen gas.
Ever built one?
How effective was it really?
I freely admit that my specialisation isn't chemistry or physics (it is marine biology), though I have some slight background in both, as an understanding of both is useful in understanding biological systems.
And I have been around long enough to know that when someone tells you that they can re-write the laws of physics in their backyard (just send $19.99 for the book), or create an over-unity energy device (come to our seminar, only $25) they are lying.
Not wrong.
Lying.
It really is that simple.
IF these claims were true, then every genuine scientist in the world woud be able to reproduce the things and get the same results claimed. Every backyard inventor would be able to do it and get the same results.
But no. It only works on YouTube. Or under tightly controlled conditions. Or the government killed the poor bastard that invented it. Or there is going to be money for everyone who invests in it - which is why we can't tell you the real secrets!
And if you reckon that sounds paranoid, and that I am wrong, I have 25 million dollars here that I am willing to send you to get out of the country.
Just send me your bank account details and a small amount of money for ... processing. |
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: stage 1 : Paranoia |
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| BTMO wrote: | | HeebieJeebies wrote: | You are one paranoid android, BTMO.
If you believe all these people and scientists that are amassed, are lying to instigate Malice, you might need the cereal with the loops after all. |
Actually, I am engaged in undertaking real science. At a real university.
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Yes all the articles have been also authored by people that have degrees with real universities. Thank you for standing up for the real universities!
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| Quote: | Example - "Joe Cells". They are (apparently) easy to construct, and create massive amounts of hydrogen gas.
Ever built one?
How effective was it really?
I freely admit that my specialisation isn't chemistry or physics (it is marine biology) (..)
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This flaw is so big, it's huge. Try to read in to a topic before you just barf your comments. It's ALL about the oxyhydrogen. See the 'oxy' in front of it?
| Quote: | Lying.
It really is that simple.
IF these claims were true, then every genuine scientist in the world woud be able to reproduce the things and get the same results claimed. Every backyard inventor would be able to do it and get the same results.
But no. It only works on YouTube. Or under tightly controlled conditions. Or the government killed the poor bastard that invented it. Or there is going to be money for everyone who invests in it - which is why we can't tell you the real secrets!
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Is it really that simple? Or is life maybe just a tiny bit more complicated than that?
Kapitalistic arguments do not work. See all the free info , the free sr.org website.
For doubts on
Please get your facts straight
The only reason why you don't have a car on water made for you is this:
| Quote: | | Let us hope that the world can come together in recognizing there is no free energy flying around, but the answer lies in the fact of a matter that we are all connected in this solid 5D world, where our better understanding of it gives open access to all sorts of exciting hopes and possibilities. |
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Bruce Simpson Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: stage 1 : Paranoia |
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| HeebieJeebies wrote: |
The only reason why you don't have a car on water made for you is this:
| Quote: | | Let us hope that the world can come together in recognizing there is no free energy flying around, but the answer lies in the fact of a matter that we are all connected in this solid 5D world, where our better understanding of it gives open access to all sorts of exciting hopes and possibilities. |
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So does your car run on water then? |
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: Also see |
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Also see this:
Joe Cell Stretches the Believability Envelope with Working Replications
Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 @ 13:01:08 PDT by vlad
Devices Explanation of the highly unusual technology and some of the astonishing claims surrounding it. This fuelless technology could make gasoline and diesel obsolete, while not requiring a change of the engine infrastructure now in existence.
by Sterling D. Allan, with Peter Stevens
Pure Energy Systems News
...Imagine a device about five inches in diameter by ten inches long, with a tube running from it to a bolt on your engine. Your engine is running, but your fuel line is disconnected. Not only does the motor run, but it has far more power than it did when running on gasoline or diesel. And somehow the car responds to the accelerator, even though the fuel line is disconnected. That and other seemingly cognitive attributes of a Joe cell have spurred people to call it a "living cell."
Weird; very weird -- and exciting.
This device, which makes fueling up obsolete, can be built for less than $100 in parts.
According to some proponents, electricity is what is being conveyed here. Others have experimented with the vapour. And others refer to it as a function of frequencies. Others invoke the living energy called Orgone, discovered and named by Wilhelm Reich in the mid-twentieth century.
The extreme shift of thinking required drives some people to the head-in-the-sand, preserve-my-comfortable-conformity statement: "If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is."
Yet the number of people claiming to have achieved success with this phenomenon is growing. And the instructions of how to do so are becoming more clear, spawning yet more success...
Guidelines for Successful Operation
Peter Stevens, an Australian, has spent about fourteen years pursuing this technology. He installed a Joe cell on his Ford Econovan, with a modified V6 GMH engine. He helped Bill Williams (U.S.) get his truck running on a Joe Cell. Stevens is more than happy to help anyone figure out how to make their Joe cell work, and is glad to share what he knows with the world via the propagation made possible by the Internet.
The Joe Cell basically consists of several equally-spaced, concentric stainless steel cylinders, with water between them. Stevens recommends 3-1-6L, non-magnetic stainless steel. The number of cylinders and particular diameter and length of the cylinders do not seem to be crucial, though the ratios and proportionate spacing may be...
Read the whole article here:
from (http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1859) |
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BTMO
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Also see |
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| HeebieJeebies wrote: | | a whole bunch of crap |
-yawn-
Point me to a reputable journal where these claims are tested rigourously.
I won't be wasting any more time opening these self-referential garbagefests. |
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HeebieJeebies
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: stage 1 : Paranoia |
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| Bruce Simpson wrote: | | HeebieJeebies wrote: |
The only reason why you don't have a car on water made for you is this:
| Quote: | | Let us hope that the world can come together in recognizing there is no free energy flying around, but the answer lies in the fact of a matter that we are all connected in this solid 5D world, where our better understanding of it gives open access to all sorts of exciting hopes and possibilities. |
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So does your car run on water then? |
Real driving on 'just water' messes up the electronics (not the electrics) of modern cars. I said the power didn't just come from the batteries, didn't I?
So as long as they're not building Faraday cages around my crap, I'd only convert a non-boardcomputer car.
more info:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/joecellfreeenergydevice/
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Bruce Simpson Site Admin
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Yes, please explain, why in these days of soaring oil prices when auto-makers are spending *billions* of dollars trying to eek the last percentage point of fuel efficiency out of their engines, they seem to be completely ignoring this whole HHO/Joe-cell/oxyhydrogen thing?
Don't you think that if any major auto maker was able to deliver a vehicle that offered 40% better fuel-efficiency than its competitors (or even better, the ability to run solely on water), they would do so?
Surely Ford, GM, Honda, Toyota or even the Eastern European marques would effectively take the world by storm if they offered this kind of energy efficiency.
Who in their right mind would *not* investigate and use this technology -- IF IT WORKED.
The fact that *nobody* in the auto-industry is using it effectively confirms what all the other real scientists are saying -- it doesn't work, can't work, won't work until such time as the laws of thermodynamics are repealed -- and there's no sign of that any time soon.
If it's as easy as you say, please point me to *any* proof provided and peer reviewed by suitably accredited universities.
With all the PhD students out there, why has absolutely nobody anywhere in reputable academia come up with a paper that proves this stuff works?
Conspiracy?
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HeebieJeebies
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| Quote: | | I won't be wasting any more time opening these self-referential garbagefests. |
Please don't. God forbid I would bring even more references on exactly this topic and then I would have rocked your world-view completely.
As my mother used to say:
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen
Greetings,
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| Quote: | Who in their right mind would *not* investigate and use this technology -- IF IT WORKED.
The fact that *nobody* in the auto-industry is using it effectively confirms what all the other real scientists are saying -- it doesn't work, can't work, won't work until such time as the laws of thermodynamics are repealed -- and there's no sign of that any time soon. |
The entire PESwiki project and the Waterfuel project are indeed all SCIENTISTS but the problem was not so simple that they could just crack it in a day.
No that, in fact took quite a long time, not until 2006, that there was any availability as to a possible extension to relativity laws , which would bring this all back again in agreeance with Thermodynamics. Only then can this only be begun to be understood by other engineers |
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| HeebieJeebies wrote: | | The entire PESwiki project and the Waterfuel project are indeed all SCIENTISTS but the problem was not so simple that they could just crack it in a day. |
So what you're saying is that it doesn't work yet?
Why is that I wonder? |
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| Quote: | With all the PhD students out there, why has absolutely nobody anywhere in reputable academia come up with a paper that proves this stuff works?
Conspiracy?
Yeah, right. |
They are all avoiding it with the same 80-foot pole that BTMO is using.
The 'car running on water' does have some sort of a 'stigma'
Everybody even remotely interested would have to learn new things
Not like BTMO
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"Oh no , I'm gonna have to read and learn new things. And I already thought I was so smart. Turns out I was dumb dumb dumb..." |
Don't worry, you'll get over it
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| Bruce Simpson wrote: | | HeebieJeebies wrote: | | The entire PESwiki project and the Waterfuel project are indeed all SCIENTISTS but the problem was not so simple that they could just crack it in a day. |
So what you're saying is that it doesn't work yet?
Why is that I wonder? |
I'm saying they're cracking the problem of describing and prescribing "what is happpening in the fuel cells" as we speak
see http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Grand_Unified_Theories
and
http://www.waterfuelconverters.com/Research.html
But of all the theories in all the land, SR seems to be the most illusive one.
Best of all, it seems to be correct and seems to be able to prescribe physics in a way not thought possible before.
see SR status
In any case it should be all explained with numbers and whatnot by the end of 2008.
Let's get this thing into production, Bruce, preferably by the end of this decade, if not the into the next one...
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Bruce Simpson Site Admin
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| HeebieJeebies wrote: |
I'm saying they're cracking the problem as we speak
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So, as I said, it doesn't work.
Call me when they get it going, until then it's just pseudo-science being conducted by a group of people who have lost touch with reality (IMHO).
I would be delighted to be proved wrong (trust me, I really mean that) but until it works then it's obvious that the laws of physics as we know them, remain unbroken and immutable. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce Simpson wrote: | | HeebieJeebies wrote: |
I'm saying they're cracking the problem as we speak
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So, as I said, it doesn't work.
Call me when they get it going, until then it's just pseudo-science being conducted by a group of people who have lost touch with reality (IMHO).
I would be delighted to be proved wrong (trust me, I really mean that) but until it works then it's obvious that the laws of physics as we know them, remain unbroken and immutable. |
All is fair in war and love, Bruce
but you cannot say you are not lying to your readers when you withhold to say that "the science isn't in, but the reality is that these things work and have been working since the seventies."
So you're saying all the websites on the entire internet are wrong and you are right, Bruce...
That is quite a bold statement to make
entire websites like
http://peswiki.com
http://zpenergy.com
http://www.overunity.com/
http://cheniere.org
http://oupower.com/phpBB2/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/
http://www.frank.germano.com
http://merlib.org
http://www.meyl.eu
http://physcom.awardspace.com
http://www.superrelativity.org/html
especially in the last case where the science is only months away.
Just trying to help you save face here, Bruce |
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Bruce Simpson Site Admin
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| HeebieJeebies wrote: |
especially in the last case where the science is only months away. |
And will probably be "only months away" for the rest of eternity.
These are all psuedoscience sites. There's no independent scientific papers peer reviewed by accredited universities there.
It's all bad science based on a poor understanding of even the most basic principles of physics.
| Quote: | | Just trying to help you save face here, Bruce |
Well *IF* these people ever get some over-unity energy production I'll gladly eat a very large helping of humble pie.
But until then, my face is quite safe thankyou  |
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HeebieJeebies
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aah pseudoscience
will wikipedia do as a f'ing reference for you to want a car on water?
try and read what einstein went through to even explain his simplest theories
in the long long ago
is physicalism pseudo-science?
| Quote: | More to the point even is one of the last sentences on the encyclopedia's TOE (physics) page,
if physicalism is true, a physical TOE would coincide with a philosophical theory of everything
Next to the fact that the author of SR is a software model engineer, and self-taught theorethical physicist, he is also a philosopher. One of the main physical implications of SR's correct metaphysical and mathmatical thought, is the non-existence of a vacuum. You know, a physical/metaphysical vacuum is where there is literally nothing there. One of the more famous metaphysically/mathmatically correct quotes of Mark Fiorentino is
"You cannot put something into nothing".
Think about that for a minute..
Thought about it?
This in itself implies a 5th dimension. It implies this dimension is solid (From What is outer space?) |
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Theory_of_everything#Possibility_of_a_TOE |
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